Over the course of my years in metro NYC, I spent the better part of my time trying to find a band. I posted various ads and listings online and in the free weeklies, put up fliers, and even created a brochure. Some of these gems are lost to the memory hole, but a few I copied, as if they would become historical once a superstar band emerged from them, or because I was that concerned about the wording and needed to make several drafts. hrumpht! Now they serve as artifacts for your snide amusement or curiosity. Maybe you've done worse. You may have even eyed a few of these suspiciously when you were looking around yourself.
These have been cleaned up for legibility, but not to save me from the embarassment of their purple prose and delusions of grandeur, as tongue-in-buttcheek they may be. I took out all the various phone numbers and email address so you don't get confused and try to contact me through them. And as a courtesy, I am reprinting only the ads I produced, not the ones I responded to. I got a few doozies there, let me tell you.
While the release of this material follows the blog-ish standard of moaning and complaining about how miserable life has been to a supergenius such as myself, it might also give you a hint towards my ideal band. And yes, I'm in two bands right now, so all's well that ends well.
To begin, I put the following notice on USENET six years ago in anticipation for my move to NYC Metro, optimistic that I would find my niche in a city of eight million people:
Hi! My name's SKiP. I used to sing for THE WYNONA RIDERS, and my current band is named toyboat.I am moving to NYC in september and I would like to remain involved in music by joining or forming a band. I'm looking for something that at various times is cinematically pop, beautifully dark and haunting, fiercely rock, poetically inspiring. Influences could include Bikini Kill, Springsteen, Husker Du, Tom Waits, the Breeders, Johnathan Richman, Joy Division, Velvet Underground, Descendants, the LOOKOUT record label, Bartok, Dead Kennedys Chet Baker, U2, Devo...
I sing and write well with a great sense of structure, and I can sort of play guitar. I'm looking for anyone wanting to make interesting music and I would be down with koto and washtub bass if that is who you are. I have lots of material, and I also like to jam and work hard at getting music heard. My bands manage occasional releases on LOOKOUT and other mail-order labels. I plan to call the new thing toyboat east.
So if you play drums, guitar, bass, cello, bongos, etc, can take "instructions" well and deal with my occasional megalomania, and like to jam and collaborate, please e-mail me!
I got one response, from some guy with no sense of irony who wrote
This band sucks already...Megalomania has no place in the universe. Any band dominated by one mind is limited to one mind and I seriously doubt the ability of a megalomaniacal mind to produce anything worth hearing.
...But maybe Skip could send instructions.
Flame on, Johnny Storm! I guess the guy's brain fried on the word "megalomania" before he got to the phrase "jam and collaborate". And I'm sure he cried when Wetlands closed down, too.
Trying to get anything going, I used various ploys and schemes at different stages of my bandmate search. Sometimes I thought I would just start with a rock duo, very k-records stylee, and then flesh out membership as our sound developed. This is the copy from a flier I put up at Funkadelic early on which took this tact ("Copy" is fancy advertising lingo for "the text in an ad" as if you din't know)
DRUMMER WANTED:Pixies, Breeders, Bikini Kill, Violent Femmes. Slop-Surf, Goth Pop, Rockcore. For fun, recording and live shows. Sense of Humor and childlike wonder desirable.
I had a guy get back to me about it. We dully played together once and said we would get back in touch. We didn't.
Drummers drummers everywhere and not a beat to play...
Drummer needed: seeking punk drummer who can jazz it up on occasion, throwing in a surf-beat and the occasional four to the floor, tempo changes. Age 28-35--
INDIE/PUNK DRUMMER WANTED NYC looking for drummer following in the footsteps of those from crimpshrine, pinhead gunpowder, green day, fifteen, wynona riders, pavement, pee chees, bikini kill, hi fives, groovie ghoulies, queers,ventures,weezer and so forth. Be an adult who has yet to reliquish their youth or sense of humor. women encouraged--
Looking for a drummer who can do the rock "Strum und Drang" and can also play real quiet, sometimes not at all
And the beat doesn't go on.
Sure I can play guitar, I have to play guitar nowadays, but I like having guitar heroes around. So I would put out ads like this, thinking I could find another artist to help take up the charge of starting a whole band.
Are you that special kind of guitarist, into The Doors and Rocket From the Crypt? Gun Club and Neil Young? Bikini Kill and U2? Can you "kick out the jams", but still kick back and groove if the need be? Do you have material? Are you easy to get along with and professionally minded? You are the one that we want. Postpunk indie rock with lots of energy and drive.
That wasn't the royal We, by the way, just another attempt to make it sound like there was more than me involved. There never was, especially not after this ad.
People can smell a lack of confidence a mile away, so I would occasionally play up my strengths or ego to lure people into my web, like a million other musician ads out there. That was the idea behind a cheeky brochure I printed up and dropped off at various hipster stores in Manhattan.
You Might Already Be Our Guitarist!(or bassist!) |
![]() ATTENTION MUSICIANS! The former singer of the Wynona Riders (Lookout Records) and
the former drummer of [identifying bands removed, as this guy proved to be a FLUH-ACHE!] seek a guitarist and bassist for a new and exciting ROCK BAND.
It could very well be you! We possess the songs, skill and sense of humor thought to make such a group viable. We would like to find others disciplined in practice, tempered in celebrity, and personable in manner. Your friends probably think of you as someone who is creative, committed, intelligent, and eclectic. We will call you comrade. As an full member with all rights and privileges therewithin, you would be encouraged to contribute to a collaborative and organic songwriting process while learning existing material. We are looking to practice 2-3 times a week as our schedules will allow, either in Williamsburg, Greater Brooklyn, or Manhattan.
Our present goals are to record in various media, play local clubs, and convince people to listen to us. Playing live would be seen as the full-bodied contact sport it is. We are a wee bit internet geeky, so yes, there would be a big ugly bandwidth-draining website full of useless information and gimmickry, allegedly designed to put us on the cutting edge. Instead, our own MP3 directory could put us out of business.
What is the sound are we going after?
Occasionally fast and furious, sometimes plaintive and obscure, our tunes encompass a music that is catchy, poetic, unexpected, kinetic, and pliant. The kind of band both Lester Bangs and Janeane Garafolo would be more than proud to have in their record collections.
Some call this music "postpunk" while others have called it "emo". Critics and scholars will recognize elements of noisepop and No Wave. We will call this music home.
You've waited long enough for the bizarre set of circumstances that has placed this flyer in your sweaty little hands. It's now time to take your first step towards joining the band of your dreams. Call 212.555.1212 and see if you got what it takes to play in our little combo. FNORD! |
Obligatory listing of Bands and Musical Artists we are known to borrow judiciously from:
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Naked Raygun, Juliana Hatfield, Husker Du, Jawbreaker, Drives Like Jehu, Throwing Muses, Pixies, Breeders, Bikini Kill, Nation of Ulysses,
Jonathan Richman, Ramones, Sonic Youth,
Archers of Loaf, Pinhead Gunpowder, PeeChees, Texas is the Reason, Jets to Brazil,
Charles Mingus, Kurt Weill, and Meredith Monk.
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What if you were already our guitarist (or bassist), and didn't even know it? You would be remiss to pass up an opportunity that you knew you were right for. None of us can predict the future, but we too often find ourselves reliving the past when we realize we could have done something differently…
Remember: "It is better to regret something you have done, then to regret something you haven't done!" Adventure awaits! CALL NOW! |
A grand total of one (1) person got back to me on the two-hundred (200) fliers I distributed. He scared me.
Following the same precept, here is another posting that got me nowhere:
Mr. Hank Storm is looking for a dedicated pool of musicians to bring his musical vision to life. Influenced by Bill Haley and the Comets ,Iggy Pop,Tom Waits,Nick Cave, The Misfits, the Bily Nayer Show, Neil Diamond, The Dead Kennedies [sic] and Van Morrison, with the ventures held in the pocket.
I went as far as developing a list of potential cover tunes to send to people who responded
I didn't have to send this list to ANYone.
(Come to think of it, 200 Proof, who I now play with, is supposed to be on this dope tip, but for some reason, we're becoming too punk for our own good.)
This one I believe was for the Starkweather Conspiracy, the gothmetal band I practiced with for about three months, until we all had a moment of clarity.
Seek drummer for our band. proto-goth postpunk art-metal. Consider Nomeansno, fugazi, pixies, foo fighters, system of a down, the damned, nin, tom waits, neurosis, sevendust, green day, boltthrower. We have practice space,studio, etc. We are experienced. Be dynamic, professional, and creative with a sense of humor.
Our only response was some kid into P.O.D. and Sanctamonious (or some name like that). We were simply not meant to be.
One kind of band I had always wanted to do was an "Inverse Blondie", with a male singer and female musicians, and I made several attempts to get one going. My intent was always a collaborative effort that would recognize its gimmickry and playfully confront the gender issues it would raise, but I had to be subtle in order not to come off like a slick Svengali. Sometimes I would straight up say I wanted female musicians. Other times I would say "Women Encouraged", (evidenced in one of the previous ads), while my most subtle strategy was to just name a bunch of bands with dames in them and see if anyone would take the hint.
female musicians (28-35) sought by male vocalist/songwriter.Pixies, Breeders, Bikini Kill, Throwing Muses, Screeching Weasel, Nick Cave, Green Day, Slater-Kinney, Iggy Pop--
Male vocalist seeks female guitarist, bassist, drummer (26-35) to form band. Pixies, Breeders, Throwing Muses, Green Day, Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kinney, Hole, REM, Screeching Weasel,Iggy, Tom Waits.--
NYC area Male Vocalist wants to form or join existing band in the vein of throwing muses, breeders/pixies, bikini kill, juliana hatfield. Indie-Punk-lofi. age 28-38. I recently won a radio-sponsored songwriting contest. I have material, and I can play guitar if needed to get things going, but I envision the band to be a collaborative, dynamic effort. Also influenced by Johnathan richman, Husker Du, Tom Waits, Groovie Goulies, Rocket from the Crypt, Hole.
Strangely, whenever I put up such ads, similar ones from other dudes would appear. I will allow that this was a form of Morphic Resonance rather than these other guys trying to make like Prometheus.
Pop Quiz: how many responses do you think I got?
You want another random notice? how about:
SNGR SKS GTR/BND
Strong Vocals, Geek Cool, Discography. Grungy Goth, Surfesque Pop, Acoustic Rock and Roll
I think that was an early one, or one the I commonly recycled.
gaak! so when someone finally does respond to any of the SOS signals I pop off, I feel a need to write back and let the verbage dribble out of my mouth until interest turns to zero. Read it and weep:
Dear [deleted]
To start things off, I recently won a songwriting contest for radio station [deleted, but you can find out if you peruse the site], and got the tune played quite a few times (it was a station promo), so at least I know that the kind of stuff I'm coming up with still has a bit of viability.
What I'm going to outline is the label possibilities, the gigging possiblies, the others members involved and my plan of action. I'll try to make it sound the least flaky possible, but admittedly some of it is still based on "crossed fingers" and hope. I am confident that this band could maintain a level of professionalism and musicianship that would at least make it cost-effective.
I have the finances and resources available to record an album independently. [ha ha I was still employed at the time] On top of that, I have contact with a number of distributors and small labels that could help me get a release out on the street. Coldfront Records recently put out an rarities album of the Wynona Riders called How to Make an American Quit, which has done well enough, an he'd like to see what else I got. What Else Records put out Nation of Wenonah, which was a side-project 10-inch, and has good distribution. And No Idea Records also has good distribution. [sniggering deleted], I could probably get a release from Lookout if I put some effort to it.
I figure I can still squeeze some cred out of having been in the Wynona Riders, but that is something I need to think over. The former guitarist and drummer of the Wynona Riders currently play in a band called Three Years down, which is involved with A Fistful of Rock, a punk rock and roll network started by Electric Frankenstien, and I'm sure I could use that as a resource for gigs and smaller labels.
If you can tell, I'm a little wary of major labels, since I think a band can do "Jawbreaker well" without one, and you may have read albini's or courtney's take on the majors; but to be honest, majors don't look at anyone until they've done independent releases, so that's the first course of action.
As for live gigging, I had a standing offer to play at the [club deleted], but that may have dried up. [The Sound Engineer] booked us there when the Wynona Riders were on tour (a tour I booked, so I gained some experience), and was really into us. I have a friend who knows the bookers at [club deleted], and he said he'd do me a favor. I have a whole collection of friends who have played around, and through them I can make contacts with other clubs I am interested in playing in. (In that respect I'd like to know what you like as far as gigs and what you would want to avoid; for instance, with the right carefree attitude, I think playing some twenty band monstrosity at CBGB's would be fun, but I know others would find that a RRREEEALLL bummer.)
I plan to promote and book the band intelligently for gigs, and will pay for the help if I need to.[you go girl] This also means marketing creatively and agressively. I don't have an awful lot of disposable money, but I am budgeting for the band; the accountant at work said he would help me establish the band as a business/arts orginization if I wanted.
Another one of those tenuous connections... a co-worker is roommates with a publicist for mid-level alternative bands who occasionally set up shows; another one of those cases where they heard of my band, but never heard it.
I also have the whole plot for a website, but who doesn't... that part is kind of embarrassing...[unlike the entire contents of this missive]
As for the other members of the band, I found a guitarist and a bassist who are both highly motivated and, uh, "centered". The guitarist plays riffy punk and rock and roll. Along with the list of bands I mentioned, you could throw in the Naked Raygun, Rocket from the Crypt and Joan Jett from his bag of tricks. He was very quick on the uptake on figuring out my songs. The bassist has been playing in a goth band, and she's looking for a band that has the feel of wire, velvet underground, joy division, jesus and mary chain, breeders, my bloody valentine. She's got that cool, very present bass sound you find in bands like sleater-kinney and the Cure. And then there's me. I think it makes for a good mix. It is my intention for the band to finally be a collaborative effort, but I have material ready and will act as de facto leader so we can hit the ground running. The band needs to be the aggregate of those in it in order to work. And of course we would maintain a sense of humor and enjoy ourselves in the process of making it worth while, but I don't know if that counts as a selling point...[word to the wise: please refrain from trying to figure out who these people are, because they probably aren't the ones I thought either]
Thus, my plan of action is to solidify the members of the band, rehearse and record, get booked at [clubs deleted], maintain a website, send out publicity packets to other clubs and my label and distro friends, and pay attention to the reaction. It would be cool if any of this seemed feasible and interesting to you.
... and then I waited for the response to that. And waited.
The other fine example of blathering below may have [also] been the result of an ad for the alleged band that chose to name itself Rope Trick, except that all of us involved like to think the band never existed or that we ever even knew each other...Also, I may have put the ad out earlier, but gotten the response quite a while later while said band was in an fetal stage. For informational purposes, the ad is also reprinted here
[the ad]
NYC-Drummer Needed
We're punk on the rock and roll side, with an indie rock streak. Think Sleater-Kinney, the PeeChees, Hole, Bikini Kill, Breeders, Trashwomen, Groovie Ghoulies, Husker Du, Ventures, Throwing Muses, Mission of Burma, pavement.Age 28-35
[the response to the response]
I thought I'd write [back], because we *might* need a drummer. A friend of the bassist is helping us out on drums. He's real cool and we get along very well, but he is also non-commital about it. [and yeah, I was just being polite]
How long have you been playing drums for? We have a strange balance in the band's sound at this moment. While I make sure the simple chord punk-pop finds its way in, we also are getting deeper into postpunk indy rock. The guitarist has a cool swell maps-modern lovers thing going on, and the bassist is totally into that kind of sst la/minneapolis sound. And then there's me, mixing it all up.
I am interested in keeping in touch.
Back and forth between the good and the bad, it's indecision time.That correspondence died out after about three volleys.
Worse than that ever hopeful mess, I had resorted to being convinced by others that the Wynona Riders should reform, even if I was the only original member; thus, we end up with even more sorry tripe like this:
The Wynona Riders are reforming in the NYC area, and seeking a guitarist. Punk Rock with a touch of late 80's New Wave. We have some label interest and all that good stuff. Weezer, X, Husker Du, Bad Religion, Descendents, Dead Kennedys, Dickies, etx. Check out noise at http://www.mp3.com/the_wendys...[I DARE you to try the URL]
Well, some of it was true. The response was underwhelming, to say the least. When anyone responded to this one, I had to let it all out, didn't I? By this point, I was losing cohesion, and just wanted to play, *weep*, as Exibit A demonstrates:
Dear [deleted]
The existing WR material is straight-ahead for the most part, although a few rythmic surprises are thrown in here and there. The live set would be built from the previous material with maybe one or two new songs. I wanted to get more Echo and the Bunnymen and the Damned influences into the sound.
When it comes down to it, I simply want to be in a band. One of the reasons I decided to start up the Wynona Riders again was because I thought the band's past recognition would be a good jumpstart towards getting things done (indie label interest, etc).
As it turns out, this idea isn't going as smoothly as I had hoped, and I keep getting that inkling to go do a band that would be its own thing. My girlfriend thinks my "own" stuff sounds like the Pixies or Throwing Muses. [wow. There's an idea... a girlfriend] I could see doing a band more like Naked Raygun or Mission of Burma if left to my own devices. I can play passable guitar for post punk (The wynona riders stuff has a fair degree of guitar pyrotechnics that I am far from being able to duplicate).
I like the rhythmic dynamics of emo, but I also dig straight ahead "hot rod" rock and roll that people can just sink their teeth into. The last band I was in seemed to keep falling into a syrupy narcotic sound that was driving me nuts! [hmmmm] I do like to have a healthy amount of uptempo stuff in live sets. Songs that have a lot of parts and the occasional tempo change (half time, double time) are very cool as long as they keep a catchy energy. I like to mix sets up with a combination of fast stuff, mid-tempo, and a goth dirge or two.
Let me know what you think. I'm hoping to get some trial runs set up by the end of the week
... and what exactly is the sound of one hand clapping? The same as the reply back.
Had I mentioned that most of these ads went nowhere, to say nothing of the rare jam session that may have resulted, only to fall flat against the white noise of a Funkadelic practice room? It got to a point where I was just amusing myself to test the community of flakes that populated musician classifieds:
LOOKIN FOR PEOPLE WHO FUCKING KNOW HOW TO PLAY TO START A LOUDASS BAND AND TAKE IT TO TEH TOP. DRUMS,BASS,GUITAR,KEYS,WHAT EVER. I'M TIRED OF PUTTING UP WITH BULLSHIT SO GET REAL. GOIN FOR SYSTEM OF A DOWN,SLIPKNOT,GUNS OF NAVERONE,TOOL,HELMENT,AT THE DRIVE IN, ANYTHING THAT ROCKS HARD. IF YOUR A LOSER WHO CANT GET YOUR "CRAP" TOGETHER DON'T WASTE MY TIME. LOOKIN FOR DEDICATED PEOPLE WHO CAN GET SICK AND MAKE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT AND KEEP UP WITH ME. LETS PLAY SHOWS, MAKE ROCORDS AND TOUR. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE IT, DON'T BOTHER
The response was exactly what you would expect, and I got more replies to this one than any of the others.
©2003 Ron Greer
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